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« on: December 19, 2013, 11:01:07 AM »

I just got an email supporting evidence of dangerous problems associated with using soy based milk replacers on calves. I will try to post it when I can - working calves and cows this week- . just a heads up not to use it if it has soy in it.  judy
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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2013, 09:43:52 PM »

This is an excerpt from the long article by rancher Maria Neilsen..... If you want the whole thing, I will be glad to email it out( by bcc) to you just pm me your email address.

.(vet).....He said that milk replacer companies change their ingredients all the time based on economics and what is cheaper and available.  I laughed and read the label and he said my crude fiber was way too high at 1% the protein and fat levels should be 20% or higher and the crude fiber level should be .15% or lower.   Well I never read the label any further cause I was sure it was a bad bug and we still continued on with the testing.  Nothing came back conclusive except the malnutrition and anemia and organ failure on the two calves that I kept alive for months and finally they died. I had one last calf that I got late and she was a twin and she started out the same thing I was devastated and he told me buy some cows milk in the store whole milk get that calf off your powdered milk replacer NOW!!!  I did and in four bottles she went from dying to running and bucking and normal poops and healthy thriving calf.  I started buying raw goats milk since I had no other powdered milk choices at the time for calves.  She thrived

The company I complained to said it was probably the soy alternative proteins in the milk replacer.  I started researching this subject and have come up with this info to help others who find themselves in my position with calves and wonder what is wrong.  Read your ingredients and see if you have Soy in your milk replacers.  Thought it was just calves but now I am finding it in lamb and goat and foal and multi species formulas as well.  BEWARE!!!  They can not tolerate it and I will tell you why. I got conformation from a top nutritionist from that company I complained to and he informed me when I asked about the dairy industry knowing this he said THEY know better and this stuff cheaper poorer quality ends up typically in the feed stores......................................

WHY can they NOT digest SOY in the calf milk replacer??? :

 

Calves are born with a complex and immature digestive system.  They have the physical attributes of a ruminant, a reticulum, rumen, omasum and abomasum.  The four chambers of the stomach.  But until these first three stomachs are developed a calf is considered a monogastric because only the abomasum is functioning.  Unable to process or digest complex carbohydrates or cellulose into nutrients.  In fact a newborn or young calf’s early feedings of colostrum, milk or milk replacer are shunted directly passed the first three stomachs and into the abomasum via the esophageal groove.  The abomasum is the main digestive organ in early life. The rumen in a newborn to young calf is nonfunctioning.  It begins growing around weeks 3-4, depending on when grain and calf starter along with fresh water and milk it receives from the cow or the bottle.  The rumen grows rapidly and during the first 5-6 months and is considered fully functioning around 6-9 months.   At first they need all milk proteins from cows milk or milk replacer containing several of these ingredients: Skimmed milk, Dried Whey Protein, Whey Protein Concentrate, Dried Whey, Dried Whey product, Casein, Buttermilk or Dried Milk Proteins.  When a calf sucks a bottle or the cow.  Within ten minutes the milk forms a clot, which it can only do when you have all milk proteins, in the abomasum from the coagulation of milk proteins. It does this with the enzymes rennin and pepsin and hydrochloric acid in the abomasum.  Other milk components, primarily whey proteins, lactose {sugar} and most minerals separate from the curd or clot and rapidly pass into the small intestine.  The lactose is digested quickly and provides immediate energy.

 

They are only designed for all milk proteins and at this young age and for months can NOT digest SOY or alternative plant based proteins.  They will sit in their gut and ferment and cause bloat and when a baby calf bloats they will die if you can not get their gut to pass the bloat and gas it will shut down and they will die.  My neighbor told me this and she took animal nutrition at UC Davis and she was having the same problem.  I also found someone else in our community that gave up trying to raise calves since they all died just this way and we all used the same milk from the same store.  I now know that ALL milk replacer companies DO this.  They have two different QUALITIES of milk replacers.  The ALL MILK PROTEINS and the cheaper ones with SOY in them.  But when you are wanting to raise or save a calf’s life you can not afford to go cheap.  I got good quality all milk proteins this winter and my 6 calves so far are thriving and happy and healthy and running and butting me wanting to eat and hardly any runny poop.  A pleasure to visit my calf pens, it is like night and day.  Just minus ONE ingredient...  SOY!

 
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2013, 02:12:04 AM »

There is also a lot of concern over soy formula for human babies.  The multinational corporations that make the stuff are so powerful with their deep pockets that I really don't know who can be trusted to research anything objectively.

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/why-soy-formula-even-organic-is-so-dangerous-for-babies/

http://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/agents/sya-soy-formula/
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2013, 02:52:46 AM »

  Nancy and I have done a lot of research on reports that soy in the diets of people of European and African descent tend to develop higher rates of diabetes. Soy tends to trigger a breakdown in the pancreas insulin production through a very complex interaction with other foods in peoples of those descents. The AMA currently denies this,  but over the years they tend to deny most things until forced to accept it.  They had silver removed from medical products in the 1940s because it was "Witch Doctor" medicine.  Now they are again touting it as an effective anti-biotic.  Go figure.

  BTW, over 70% of the oils and fats ingested by Americans is soy based.   Wink
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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2013, 07:58:20 PM »

Hey Bordercollie,

I have almost always pulled my baby goats at birth, and bottle fed them.  It has to do with goats getting CAE, and also to monitor milk production, so that I can have access to some of the milk.  When I first began, the does I had were not of excellent quality, and therefore did not produce a lot of milk.  I would have to supplement with powdered milk.  Mana Pro which makes calf mana and is a good product, also makes a goat milk replacer.  I wrote them letters complaining that I thought their product was killing my baby goats.  They would not listen to me without a necropsy.  I have since had goat raiser friends that had the same problem.  The kids cannot digest the soy.  I have given one a bottle, and had it literally bloat within seconds, and die before I could even get to the house.  I lost a whole crop of babies the first year I used it.  Soy might be good to help pigs gain weight, but goats cannot digest it and it can kill them.  wow tells ya what it's doing to us.

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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2014, 08:22:28 AM »

Bordercollie,
I am so glad you posted this. I too, at least once a year have to take a calf to the barn to raise. It is hard enough without having an issue with milk replacements. I always buy the best i can get but have never looked to see if it had soy in it. I will now. I would hate to loose a baby because i fed it something bad. You grow to love these little calf's and would do anything to keep them alive, so now i will READ the label. Thanks for the info.
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2014, 07:19:16 AM »

Thank ya'll for the response. It is scary when you put your trust in something and it turns out to  deadly... and still on the market!!    judy
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