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« on: June 19, 2012, 04:17:33 PM »

Spaniards raiding farms for crops to sell at markets

http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/20582989/?view=Standard

Desperate Spaniards are raiding farm crops to sell at markets in an attempt to raise money as their economy falters.

Police have added the patrolling of farmland - sometimes on horseback - to their list of daily tasks. Farmers in some areas are teaming up to carry out night-time patrols on their own.

In villages near farming areas, several thousand paramilitary Civil Guards, regional and local police are even setting up checkpoints to sniff out not drugs or drunken drivers but stolen fruit or farming equipment, like copper wire used in irrigation systems.

The Civil Guard says sometimes its officers mount "cage operations" - sealing off whole villages to check cars and trucks for, say, pilfered pears.

The stolen goods are mainly for resale. The food ends up in small roving street markets and the metal goes to scrap dealers.

Last year alone more than 20,000 thefts were reported at Spanish farms. The Interior Ministry says it has no comparative figures from other years, or for so far in 2012. But authorities and farm groups blame the thefts on Spain's economic crisis and say they are a big enough problem for the patrols, which began last season, to stay in force this year.

In Sant Climent, a village of 4,000 just outside Barcelona in the Catalonia region, the target at this time of year is cherries in orchards rising up the slopes of a river valley. People are selling them from their front doorsteps and on stands inside bars.

Spain's agricultural sector, which accounts for about 3% of GDP, is not in jeopardy. But the thefts reflect a real problem for Spain's farmers and shows how harsh times are making ordinary people turn to crime.

"This has emerged because of social alarm. Because of the crisis, crime is up," said the local police chief, Ernesto Banos. "And when cherry season comes around, people say: 'What now, cherries? OK, let's go get them."

The usual suspects can be surprising, or not. "Retirees, unemployed people, young people," said Mr Banos.

"The increase that has taken place since the crisis started a few years ago has been spectacular said Estrella Larrazabal, spokeswoman for a farm association called Asaja. "Thieves take anything they can get their hands on."

And things have happened in the Spanish countryside that make it look like the Wild West, or in some cases, Wall Street.

A rancher in central Spain went out one morning to view his 200-head herd of cattle and found two prized calves which had just been released into the pack shot in the head at point-blank range, and perfectly slaughtered. They were to have been prized breeders.

A farmer in Cordoba caught some men stealing ploughing equipment from him. They were arrested, tried, convicted and fined. But they came back to his farm repeatedly demanding he pay the fine, and eventually threatened to kill him if he did not.

Sheep rancher and lemon grower Vicente Carrion, head of the local branch of a farm lobby in the region of Murcia, said thieves plan their hits according to what crops are getting good prices.
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2012, 04:43:25 PM »

CHOOT"EM  DEAD!     LOL
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2012, 07:05:14 PM »

  I sympathize with the farmers, I hope the thieves die a horrible death in their flaming escape vehicle while the corn they stole pops so police and firemen will be able to eat some while they watch the rats burn.  The problem is when I see a government sealing off an entire town and searching and checking every car?  I mean I am all in favor of catching thieves, rats, murderers or any law breakers, but what about loss of privacy freedoms or unreasonable search (I know Spain doesn't have our Constitution, but they should)?  Sometimes I think governments encourage lawlessness just so they can search everyone and step on people's rights with impunity.  Sad situation either way but I say let the farmers take care of the thieves themselves and law enforcement look the other way.   Believe me those farmers know how to handle this if government doesn't thwart their efforts.   Wink
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2012, 08:32:48 PM »

Last year there was a story like this about rustling in Britain.  I also read that while gun ownership has been restricted, most farmers and country people have had long guns for years.  I wonder where they get their ammo.  I agree the situation would be better handled by the farmers if they could count on fair treatment from the authorities.  People think it's so unfair for the farmers to have so much while they have so little.  It will eventually get down to stealing from individual gardens like we have.  Eventually the cops will start needing protection money or goods.  It's good that we get to watch this from across the Atlantic so we can see and prepare for what we're in for when TSHTF. 
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2012, 11:28:06 PM »

  I spent a good deal of time in Spain when I was younger.  Barcelona, Madrid, Malaga and areas near Rota.  Spain impressed me as the most civilized and cleanest country I have ever been in.  The people were friendly, streets were clean and businesses were all professional and operated with great pride and a sense of obligation to the customer.  Being of English, Irish, French, Native American descent I grew up with a prejudice against the nation of Spain that was wholly undeserved.  When I went there I was still in possession of that prejudice the first visit.  When I saw it and walked in it I realized this was a great nation.  There was some civil unrest at that time as college students just didn't want King Juan Carlos to be anywhere in Span.  Typical leftists thinking they had all the answers when in fact they didn't even have an idea what questions to ask.  We were in Barcelona at a Hotel Restaurant one block off the "Ramblas" on the first floor when a student protest turned into a "let's break all the windows where people are making a living" spree.  It took about 5 minutes when mounted Army Cavalry hit the streets.  It was the first time I saw horses with gas masks.  The tear gas entered the hotel lobby and we were all move upstairs ad given rooms to wait in while waiting for the unrest to be cleared.  They gave us all room service of $30/person.  In 1988 that was a hell of a lot of food in Spain.  Come to find out no one was arrested just dispersed with tear gas.  Like I said,  I surmised it was a great country.   Wink

 If Spain has degenerated into this society in just the 24 years since I have been there,  you have no idea what America will turn into if faced with similar circumstances.  Keep your powder dry.   Wink
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2012, 05:02:32 AM »

Hi T-
I had a family friend that went to Spain repeatedly back in the 70's and 80's.  She loved it and would have probably moved there but she met & married a man that lived in America.  It is sad to see what the liberal socialist have done to Europe.  Socialism works good until you run out of other peoples money.  By then you have killed the cultures work ethic and economic recovery becomes real painful.  Anybody that thinks massive amounts of free stuff from the govenment can go on forever is living in LA LA land.
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2012, 05:30:43 AM »

I've watched the European condition with growing interest (apprehension!). The issue of stealing produce to sell is, to me, a bit different than stealing for personal need. There's just a moral difference to me. However, both reasons leave the producer empty-handed. We've discussed this before, what we expect to do if faced with sufficient societal decay to make it necessary to defend our own ability to produce food. The "lifeboat ethics" of this bothers me. My suspicion is that it bothers most of the Forum members as well, being that I've concluded you folks are compassionate individualists. It's truly troubling. It could come to making some very difficult choices. To me, at the bottom of all this was the gradual shift from the idea of personal responsibility to societal responsibility for the conduct and welfare of our lives. How did this happen? Cry Larry
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2012, 12:52:49 PM »

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I don't know what these look like but this was in the local craigslist today

Fresh Green Beans-by the bushel $20. bushel. Blue Lake Bush & Roma II, Half Runners & (Kentucky Wonder)

here another from the local sales network about a 100 miles north of me

Beans
Blue Lake
Tender Pick
Contender
White Half Runner
We will take 30 dollars a bushel for any variety of beans.
Onions
Red
White
Yellow
Sweet
We are asking 1 dollar a dozen for the onions, they are in as of June 1st.
Squash
Crook neck
Green zuchini squash
We are asking 25 dollars a bushel for squash and zuchini, they are in as of June 1st.
Sweet Basil
Tomatoes
Mr. Stripey
Rutger
Beef Steak
Super Sweet 100Cherry
Brandywine
We are asking 30 dollars a bushel for any variety of tomatoes.
Potatoes
Red Pontiac
White
We are asking 1 dollar a pound, they are in as of June 1st still have the skins slipping.
Corn
Golden Queen
Silver Queen
Peaches and Cream
Hickory Cane
We are asking 4 dollars a dozen for any variety of corn, or 36 dollars a bushel of any variety of corn.
Peppers
Habanero
Jalopeno
Hot Ciannee
Cubanel
Gypsy
California Wonder
Red Beauty
We are asking 30 a bushel for any variety of peppers.
Watermelon
Jublie
Yellow Mellon
The melons depend on size from 1 dollar to 5 dollars.
Cucumbers
Muncher
Marketmore
Boston Pickling
We are asking 25 dollars a bushel for pickles or cucumbers, they will be ready in about a week from June 6th.

Sounds like a good size farm here.
 













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